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regardless of the polls now (2.00 / 1)

Clinton has the ability to make up ground in WV that Obama does not.  More important are OH and FL.  She will win them and Obama will not.  He also risks losing PA.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:16:27 AM EST

Re: regardless of the polls now (2.00 / 1)

Obama could win Ohio in a number of ways.   IF he's the nominee, for example, he could start by choosing Ted Strickland as his VP.  I also think he would look different after the party pulls together.  He's been slammed by both Rs and half the Democratic party for a while now.  That would change.  And some of the things that hurt him specifically in that primary have now moved past.  We have a little more context on that Austan Goolsbee flap, for example.  If his opponent is McCain, not Clinton, I think McCain's lobbying connections would let him Obama a favorable story on issues that matter to Ohioans.

That said, there are other states where he's stronger than Clinton, and can expand the map in ways she can't.  CO, VA, an outside chance at NC; stronger in OR, WA, MN, WI.


by TL on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:23:23 AM EST
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demographics (none / 0)

and the GE will not be a caucus.  Obama can not win and those are the two main reasons.  He lost the working class vote by his own hand.  He is not going to win it back.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:48:36 AM EST
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Re: regardless of the polls now (none / 0)

She won't win WV and she wouldn't win FL.

I believe they both would win OH and PA.


by PSUdan on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:43:49 AM EST
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please don't spout shit (none / 0)

it is such a waste of time.

In fact she is winning OH, PA and FL against McCain and has been for months.  Obama has been losing them for months and just recently is doing better in PA.

On the other hand some polls have Clinton winning WV against MeCain and NO POLLS have Obama winning WV against McCain.

PA, OH and FL could all go to Clinton, only PA has a remote chance of going to Obama.  It's all in the demographics.  


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Mon May 12, 2008 at 10:59:36 AM EST
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Take your own advice (none / 0)

and stop spouting shit...you have no evidence that he cannot win their votes in the GE.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Mon May 12, 2008 at 12:27:33 PM EST
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Michigan (none / 0)

I think Obama stands a real good chance of losing MI in November.

Flipping MI and PA while still losing FL and OH is an electoral college wipe out for BO. Caveat of November being a long way off is hereby stated!


by Newport News Dem on Mon May 12, 2008 at 12:15:34 PM EST
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