MyDD :: Democrats should reconsider Hillary Clinton as Presidential Candidate

Democrats should reconsider Hillary Clinton as Presidential Candidate

by architek, Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 09:30:42 AM EST

Many Democrats, now disgusted with the long-predicted rightward swing of Sen. Obama, his dishonesty, and depressed that neither he nor Sen. McCain are the kind of person they wish to see in the White House after our long national nightmare, are calling for the Democratic Party to change its mind and select Hillary Clinton, an almost guaranteed winner among the PEOPLE, WHILE THERE IS STILL TIME.

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Re: Democrats should reconsider Hillary Clinton as (2.00 / 2)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/opinio n/10collins.html?ref=opinion

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 09:36:12 AM EST

Awesome article, thanks n/t (none / 0)

by Neef on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 10:24:38 AM EST
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Re: Democrats should reconsider Hillary Clinton as (none / 0)

I was thinking of putting up a diary on that one. For once Gail Collins said something worthwhile: that Obama's basically for consensus and against stupidity, and his actions make a lot more sense when seen in that light.

by username on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:38:41 AM EST
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Re: Democrats should reconsider Hillary Clinton as (none / 0)

Thanks for the link.

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:49:52 AM EST
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How did Obama shift to the right? (2.00 / 2)

And how can Hillary win if she lost?

I attended PUMACon '08!!!

by iohs2008 on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 09:36:58 AM EST

she can't... (2.00 / 1)

not only did she lose to someone who wasn't even on her radar when she started planning for the white house, she proved inept at organizing others and raising the amount of money needed. we will long study hillary's campaign as a textbook example of what not to do. and that's not even considering the fact that she is the most polarizing politician in america today! hillary lost for a reason. we always knew that this diarist would not support the democratic nominee...

"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton

by bored now on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 09:53:27 AM EST
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come on - seriously? (2.00 / 4)

im sad to - but its over.

"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg

by canadian gal on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 09:37:16 AM EST

Good Grief (2.00 / 2)

As has been posted before, this "rightward swing" meme is nothing but people forgetting about positions has always had.

Yes, he changed on FISA, but would you really want the leader of the party voting against a filibuster-proof defense bill? It's just bad politics, and Obama knows the bill had issues.

It doesn't make his vote right, but its doesn't deserve all this "rightward swing" nonsense. I'm sure Clinton would have done the same.

by Falsehood on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 09:39:36 AM EST

Yep (2.00 / 2)

a good many of those positions sucked then and they suck now- you are dead on. Now that being said, we really need to focus on moving THIS candidate (our only one, btw) back towards progressive ideals. This diary is not the way to do this, sorry.

by linc on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 10:18:58 AM EST
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Re: Yep (none / 0)

I think he's starting to realize he's getting too far away. His positioning has moved left a bit in the last week or so. That said, I don't want him to keep shifting. And with the exception of FISA, he's exactly where I want him to be and where he needs to be. If he had been smarter on FISA, he'd be doing great in my book.

If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.

by vcalzone on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:24:08 AM EST
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Get a life and grow a brain. (2.00 / 5)

Hillary Clinton is not running for President anymore.

She's out there trying to get people to raise money for Barack Obama.

by Geekesque on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 09:41:00 AM EST

Of course she was the best candidate (2.00 / 1)

"Was" being the (sadly) operative word here.

"Life is too short, time is too precious, and the stakes are too high to dwell on what might have been." Hillary Rodham Clinton - June 7, 2008

by twinmom on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 09:46:43 AM EST

Sigh (1.50 / 4)

I do think it is over. I also believe we are stuck with someone who has the potential to be as bad a president as Bush. He has no ideology save getting elected.

My feelings about this go back to the beginning of his campaign, such as his false sympathy with the Maytag refrigerator workers who lost their jobs -- when a member of the Crown family -- his biggest family supporter -- sat on the Crown board and Obama never once asked him to find a way to keep the jobs in Illinois. http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news Stock%20News/1057928

by strongerthandirt on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 09:53:38 AM EST

so do we assume the crown's are stupid? (2.00 / 2)

only an idiot would assume that asking obama "to find a way to keep the jobs in Illinois" would be an effective strategy.

since i know members of the crown family, i can only say that they are not as stupid as you assume. unlike you, they understand how politics in illinois works, and who to go to in order to get things done in the state. ignorant readers may draw the same conclusions that you have, but only because they are ignorant. let's not assume that the crowns are ignorant, as well...

"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton

by bored now on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 09:57:42 AM EST
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Re: Sigh (2.00 / 1)

I also believe we are stuck with someone who has the potential to be as bad a president as Bush.

Oh right, this isn't ridiculously hyperbolic borderline trolling, it's "dissent." How patriotic!

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:08:39 AM EST
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Awwww (2.00 / 5)

I think architek needs a hug.

Everyone give architek a hug!

+HUG+

In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

by Dracomicron on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 09:55:34 AM EST

Re: Awwww (none / 0)

Can you think of a Disney film for architek?

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:16:24 PM EST
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Easy enough (none / 0)

Lady & the Tramp.

In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

by Dracomicron on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 02:49:11 PM EST
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this is not a diary! (2.00 / 2)

Put this comment in an open thread or in one of the many Clinton-Obama diaries already on the recent diary list.

I am tired of wasting time opening a diary that adds no analysis or value.

John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."

by desmoinesdem on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 09:58:05 AM EST

Re: this is not a diary! (2.00 / 1)

Why open it at all then? It was obvious from the title what it would say.

by conspiracy on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 10:43:19 AM EST
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Many Democrats? (2.00 / 2)

I think this is BS.

Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 10:19:26 AM EST

Ummm... (2.00 / 2)

Ok.

Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!

by spacemanspiff on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 10:45:54 AM EST

Re: Democrats should reconsider Hillary Clinton as (1.50 / 2)

Just remember - you saw it here. Mark the date.

by pan230oh on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 10:51:57 AM EST

Re: Democrats should reconsider Hillary (2.00 / 3)

Regardless of how you think that May Clinton would have fared against May McCain relative to May Obama, August Clinton would be a much worse candidate than August Obama when going against August McCain, almost by default. You cannot run a two and a half-month GE campaign with no money, no staff, no offices, and no advertising. The election would be over before the first yard sign was put up.

It's this failure to consider the realities on the ground which make this supposed movement nothing more than a pipe dream.

by rfahey22 on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 10:54:17 AM EST

Still carrying a burnt out torch for Hillary (none / 0)

Psssst.... It's over. Obama won.

by Beren on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:02:45 AM EST

Re: Democrats should reconsider Hillary Clinton as (none / 0)

Of course I could post some links and facts that would contradict your diary. But why even spend time refuting such bullshit in the first place?

Ta!

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:09:45 AM EST

Fire up the way-back machine, Sherman! (none / 0)

"Hillary Clinton, an almost guaranteed winner among the PEOPLE..."

I'm telling ya, the morning after the Election, after the Obama win, Architek (or another PUMA) will post a diary titled:

"Hillary would have won even BIGGER!"

You ever read about those Civil War reenactors?

Some folks JUST can't move on.

Sad, truly sad.

My mom believed in Jesus, the Pope and FDR..... Just not necessarily in that order.

by WashStateBlue on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:09:49 AM EST

Re: Democrats should reconsider Hillary Clinton as (none / 0)

"If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a horse have? Four, calling a tail a leg does not make it a leg"

no not that one.....

this one

"but l am
reminded in this connection of a story of an old Dutch farmer,
who remarked to a companion once that it was not best to swap
horses when crossing a stream. "

And as much as I feel the old Irish saying about horses

"The best horse doesn't always win the race"

I am reminded of another Lincoln quote...

"I can make a General in five minutes but a good horse is hard to replace."

I can't see replacing Obama unless its clear he will lose. Currently the reverse appears to be true. Even if the top brass knows something we don't that will cause him to lose, his supporters would never understand or forgive at this point. Replacing Obama just like not giving Hillary the VP slot would damage the party long term via losing a large segment of his voters forever.

by dtaylor2 on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:10:02 AM EST

Can't happen. Won't happen. (none / 0)

Hillary can't have the nomination if she can retire her debt without the help of Obama's supporters.

I mean that quite literally. She cannot win enough support to overturn Obama because she has been pushing him to help retire her debt and he has obliged. If she accepted the nomination in his stead, she'd lose half the Democratic party. And not PUMA "half", actually around half.

If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.

by vcalzone on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:16:10 AM EST

Hillary has a message for you (none / 0)

Now I've had countless conversations since the end of my campaign," she began. "And I know how difficult it is for people who have invested their time, energy and emotion -- just their entire being -- into any campaign or cause. ... When it is over, I know how difficult that is ... how challenging it is to turn on a dime. It is a process. It does take time for people to take a deep breath, to go forward. ... But anyone who voted for me has so much in common with those who voted for Barack. ... It is critical that we join forces. The Democratic Party is a family -- sometimes a dysfunctional family -- but it is a family. We care about what is going to happen to health care [and education], and in Afghanistan in Iraq. ... That work cannot be done if we do not have a Democratic president in the White House!"
As she wrapped up her remarks and began to introduce Obama, Clinton said, "this is the man -- this is the one -- we should be voting for. ... Do it for your children. Do it for your jobs. Do it for the education of future generations.

-Hillary Clinton speaking at the Women for Obama and the DNC's Women's Leadership Forum in NYC.

by hankg on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:32:24 AM EST

"Many Democrats"? (none / 0)

Do you need to take off your shoes to count exactly how many?

by username on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:36:27 AM EST

Re: Democrats should reconsider Hillary (none / 0)

Are you a real democrat or a repug concern troll???

by Spanky on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:39:44 AM EST

Re: Democrats should reconsider Hillary Clinton as (none / 0)

by username on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 11:42:56 AM EST

Thought this was appropriate here (none / 0)

I hope that Hillary's votes are recorded in history at the 2008 Democratic Convention. I would expect that, when Obama wins, she would release them in a grand gesture to her candidate for President, Barack Obama.

Or are you expecting some strang confluence of events, that would bring Hillary to the convention floor as our nominee? If this is true, I must say, really now; I just cannot see that happening. In fact, this is not even something I would like to see at this time, because that would mean that our nominee is in so much trouble, I am not sure that even Hillary could take the reigns, and lead a shattered Democratic Party to victory in November.

The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"

by Hollede on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:13:02 PM EST

Clinton Democrats should reconsider Barack Obama (none / 0)

Clinton Democrats should reconsider Barack Obama as Presidential Candidate

Many Clinton Democrats, disappointed that their candidate Hillary is not the nominee, have resorted to posting ridiculous one-sentence diaries asking people to nominate Hillary after she lost. These people need to realize that the primary is over, and we are calling for these Clinton Democrats to change their minds and select Barack Obama, an almost guaranteed winner among the PEOPLE, WHILE THERE IS STILL TIME.

And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.

by thatpurplestuff on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:17:54 PM EST

Actually most Democrats (none / 0)

don't care about Obama's so-called right-wing swing.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la- na-campaign10-2008jul10,0,4376045.story

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 12:45:54 PM EST

Re: Democrats should reconsider Hillary! (none / 0)

Actually it is a lot of time to reconsider. Obama proved to be very bad and now dishonest candidate.
Hillary is much better than any other candidate!

Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties

by engels on Thu Jul 10, 2008 at 06:50:48 PM EST

Oh God (2.00 / 1)

it's back